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The Permaculture Food Forest – Plant Once- Harvest for a Lifetime. How It Works. — 2 Comments

  1. Where is the data about: calorie yield per unit area (or some other unit of nutritional value; proof of productive yield over the long term when all trees have reached their mature height and canopy; increased time spent harvesting dispersed areas of the one crop; the actual species grown (with numbers of each) to show that real nutritional variety can be achieved, and to illustrate that adequate quantities of food staples are being produced and not just unusual fruit crops.

    Without at least that range of data I could not be convinced that he is feeding 8 adults year round (and unspecified) livestock.

    Presumably the livestock are not eaten, or is he saying that the livestock are housed on that half acre?

    Sorry, but I’ve done a permaculture course, I’ve been growing food for years, including using some permaculture practices, and I’ve looked at permaculture properties, including Geoff Lawton’s in Australia.

    It is not fair to mislead people about what can be grown and the quantities that can be produced in a “food forest”. People in the developing world have really been producing all their own food for many centuries and none of then depend entirely, or even mostly, on a “food forest” – I have worked in rural areas in Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and China and I’ve never seen it and never heard of it having happened in the past.

    • I don’t know if he’s quantified his production in detail, but that’s something you’d have to take up with him. The potential for enormous harvests is there however. We’re starting to see increased production in our forest garden even though it’s far from being well developed. I estimate I ate a truckload of papaya last year. One young lime tree can start producing a bushel of limes after just 2 years. One little banana plant can turn into 10 giant banana plants loaded with bananas in 1-1/2 years. I’ve seen Marian plum trees with a truckload of fruit each. But in all honesty it takes an enormous amount of work to achieve great results, and it typically takes years to get significant production. Building up the soil can be very challenging. This is fine with me because I love working in our forest garden. It’s the most pleasant spot in the world for me. I labor on in hopes it becomes awesome in 5-10 years.

      A safer, easier, more sure bet for high yield food production is a good greenhouse. Watch this Curtis Stone video about a microgreen grower in Vancouver. This guy has very detailed production records. I’m currently gearing up to do something similar in our mesh hoop house. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVL-PvzQxU&t=4s

      Note: I think you’re asking valid questions. All too often people hype their product or idea. It would be good to see at least a one page summary of his annualproduction. Maybe this is in his book, not sure.

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