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Our Tropical Forest Garden Progress — 24 Comments

  1. Great “new” venture Owen, to add to the other good work you have been doing for years. Free food, quality food! I am proud of you and your family for what you have done here.

    • Thanks, Jerry. We just finished 9 new YouTube videos that document this homestead project. We’re uploading the files as we speak. The whole project has given me a boost of encouragement and self satisfaction. I’ve wanted to do something like this all my life and now we’re doing it.

  2. This blog post hits on a lot of different topics (maybe too many). But I do want to emphasize two things:

    1. Free food forever! An established food forest with perennial and self-seeding annual plants is largely self sustaining. They require a lot of work to get started, but long term they keep producing food indefinitely with only minor inputs (pruning, etc.).

    2. The taste of fresh grown organic food is light years beyond store bought and far healthier to boot. The local bananas for instance are very sweet and creamy (almost buttery tasting). Typical supermarket bananas in the US are totally different. They’re a result of careful planning by agro industry to maximize profits.

  3. Very nice and very thought out. Much luck to you and your family. GMO’s should be outlawed. I’m old fashioned and I believe if the Creator didn’t make it then I want no part of it.

    • Yeah, I’m totally against GMOs. They’re totally unnatural and I sure don’t want to eat them. But like I said, GMOs are spreading into everything. Many processed foods already contain GMOs and people have no way of knowing. The “food safety” organizations (FDA) charged with protecting the public are largely working with giant corporations. Do the research. Look up the Harvard study (among dozens or hundreds of others) that convincingly shows that GMOs cause cancer. The only way to avoid all the nasty junk going into the food is to grow it yourself.

      • You know Doc, I’m ex military and if you ask a room full of vets about why the create war and one answer that I truly believe is the answer is population control. Big business works with these select men and possibly women and say to themselves getting cancer is one method of population control. I strongly believe the cure for cancer was discovered a long time ago but, the elite don’t want the cat out of the bag because this will add more people to the planet and that will help deplete the food supply. Thus, create foods that will help you along to your grave. I know this sounds extreme but, being ex military who had a top secret clearance…..this is NOT something that’s unbelievable at all

        • I believe it. There’s a lot of evidence that points in this direction. Some call this ‘soft kill’. It’s a slow, gradual thinning of the population so as not to arouse too much alarm. Just one example — look at how cancer rates keep going up and up. And like you, I’ve read of possible cancer cures and yet nothing ever seems to come of it. The inventors get bought out, endlessly harassed or worse.

          Multinational corporations have grown so large and powerful that they can do whatever they want since they can buy off politicians and bureaucrats. I’ve been reading about this stuff for years and now I’m determined to be largely food self sufficient in the near future so I don’t have to eat their poison. One thing that fools many people is the effect of many different toxins. It’s easy to think “oh, it’s just a little bit”. Yeah, but it’s a little bit of poison in thousands of different products. There are chemicals in everything now — the air, water, food, vaccines, etc. The cumulative effect is very dangerous.

          • I agree 100%. America has come to be a nation of “easy” meaning if it’s easy to cook up, turn on, sit in, drive in, dispose of. You know what I mean. They have grown lazy and think “Oh well…we’re all gonna’ die anyway” I call it the dumbing down of the American citizen. THIS is only one of many reasons I want to be way off grid growing and raising my food supply. Letting them remain in a coma. It’s going to heck in a hand basket here. From the Whitehouse on down. It’s only a matter of time before this Kingdom falls. The politicians won’t be able to borrow there way out of the mess they’ve created. It’s being destroyed from within.

  4. Are there YouTube videos in the works?

    Have you actually harvested and eaten anything from it yet? It often seems the first meal from a new (to you) plot of land or a new garden ends up being rather interesting/amusing as it often is something unexpected.

    I realize it’s probably too early to put in chickens, but did you plant trees that are designed to drop fruit to naturally feed chickens (such as mulberry), or do you have different chicken plans?

    Any bamboo? Either planted yourself, or already existing on the site?

    Reactions, comments, questions, from your neighbors would be very interesting as well. It might be fun to document some of them calling you crazy now, and hopefully document their thoughts and attitudes changing as the project matures.

    Keep having fun.

    • Yes to the YouTube videos. I’ve been waiting to build up a ‘critical mass’ of videos before posting them. (I wouldn’t want people to find my new channel with only 1-2 videos and then leave.)

      We just shot four more videos today. Hopefully the videos will come online in the next two days…

      We planted the garden over the last six weeks, starting with the trees first. So no, there’s nothing to eat yet. Well, okay, we’ve eaten a few chilis come to think of it, but that’s all so far.

      It’s exciting watching how fast the plants grow. It’s almost like a dream now that the hardest part is finished. The banana plants, for instance, have already grown a foot or two and have new large leaves.

      We won’t have chickens until after several years. I’ve raised hundreds of chickens over the years and even though they’re the number one farm animal in my opinion, they are a lot of work and tend to tie you down. We’re just too busy for that sort of thing right now.

      There are three large clusters of bamboo right on our fence line. We had to chop it back to build the fence and it’s already spreading back on our land. So no, we won’t plant any bamboo. We’ll just chop off an occasional piece that grows through or over the fence if we need some. Our focus is growing more valuable food producing plants on the limited space we have. (This is a key point: How can we grow the most desirable/valuable plants on our small homestead? We want the most bang for the buck.)

      All of our neighbors are farmers and understand perfectly what we’re doing. You see, the farms here are not endless stretches of rice fields. They are small farms with various types of trees, bamboo, orchards, gardens, etc. Our neighbor for instance is growing pumpkin, squash and pole beans before they plant their rice (in the same field). That’s called intercropping. Another farmer 50 yards away raised their land like we did and have all sorts of plants, fish ponds, etc. The only thing that raised any eyebrows was the earthbag pump house. They hadn’t seen one of those before!

      • My question regarding chickens wasn’t whether or not you had any on the property at this time, but whether/how you may be planning ahead for that day. There are several general philosophies for different methods of raising them.

        Did you plant any trees with concept in mind that you plan on putting a chicken coop/run under the tree some day so that they can almost have a self feeding system?

        Perhaps you are considering a chicken tractoring concept for Zone1 instead?

        Lots of different ways to go about it. Those are perhaps the 2 most common methods. I was just curious about what direction you are thinking.

        I think you mentioned once that you have dogs. Have they been patrolling the site yet? Are they defending your plants from whatever burrowing critters you have in that part of the world that love to steal your hard work? Moles? Gophers? Voles? … Politicians?

        • Chicken tractors are good for preparing the soil for forest gardens (as one example). But we didn’t want to spend years building the soil before planting trees. We wanted to get the trees started as soon as possible. At this point chicken tractors don’t seem practical for what we’re doing. We’re going to have loads of plants everywhere and that makes it hard or even impossible to move and set chicken tractors. This is a forest garden, not an orchard. Soon the garden will be dense with plants.

          If/when we get chickens, we’ll probably build a fixed chicken coop with very strong fencing on all sides and on the top. Over the years I’ve lost around 100 chickens to predators. Next time I will build it fortress-like from the beginning (buried chain link set in concrete, with chicken mesh on top…). Chicken feed: mostly plant wastes and weeds from the garden and scraps from the kitchen. We could let the chickens run loose during certain hours of the day once the forest garden is established.

          Our dogs are at our house in town. I’d love to let them run free on a farm. However, that may not happen any time soon. For one, they help protect our house. They’re our companions where we live. Plus, they are really active and destroy a lot of plants. It’s not practical to fence off all the plants on our homestead — plants are everywhere.

          • As I’m sure you’re already aware.

            Properly trained, Dogs can be an important integral part of a Permaculture system. They can be great defenders of livestock as well as excellent predators of various rodents.

            They are excellent composters of leftover meals, and are an excellent natural bed warmer on a cold day (when properly cleaned.)

            Plus, they can make sure the ponds are completely cleared of stray sticks, tennis balls and other floating toys that happen to get thrown in. Who wants a pond full of stray tennis balls?

          • We don’t have a pond or tennis balls. But our dogs are good at treeing politicians. That must count for something.

          • Treeing politicians? How ’bout you bringing your dogs and my Bloodhound and we go on a road trip to D.C. They’ll love it there. Couple good ones but, most would be just good eating for them.

          • Trouble is our dogs are just plain wild. They wrestle and race around our yard like wild animals. They terrorize local animals and chase motorcycles if they get out of the yard somehow. They’re often out of control and nothing we do seems to help. I sure wouldn’t want them to hurt the politicians.

          • Hahaha…..yeah..maybe not the politicians there but, it would be sporting here. Just down right good fun. Haha…

  5. Excellent article! Looking forward to the progress. We are slowly developing a small plot outside Bangkok, and hope to have a forest garden too. Any plans to publish photos of the pump-house build?

    • Glad to hear about your project. I’m hearing of more and more people planting forest gardens as opposed to just reading about them.

      The pump house will be covered in detail, because it’s a prototype emergency earthbag shelter. We have the photos. We’ll make a video soon. And eventually I plan to make a free builder’s manual with drawings, specifications, list of materials, tools and photos.

  6. It’s a beautiful garden, Owen. I’m quite envious of your efforts. I’m glad you are practicing vermiculture, they will help aeriate and fertilize the soil naturally. If you haven’t already, look into the many uses of biochar, as it also builds fertile soil, and has been used in the Amazon basin for well over 1000 years.

    • Thanks. We haven’t built the earthworm bed yet. It’s on the list though.

      We added rice hull ash in every tree hole as explained in the recipe. That’s the same thing as biochar. We bought it at extremely low cost direct from the rice mill. The rice mill also sells rice hulls, which we used on our pathways and planting mix, and bran. Bran can be used to make bokashi, compost and fed to the earthworms. We also have access to sugar cane compost called bagasse. We’ll gradually add bagasse, straw, etc. to improve the soil.

  7. The small trees we planted six weeks ago are partially hidden by groundcovers that will build the soil and reduce erosion. On the right is Sunhemp (crotalaria juncea) and azuki beans on the left. They will be chopped and dropped when they start flowering. Every forest garden bed is different so we can learn what works best.

    Feel free to email me or leave comments if you have experience with this type of tropical forest gardening.

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