Colorado: Off-Gridders Forced back on the Grid, Camping on own land Illegal — 25 Comments

  1. We were the class c, boat, SxS, and black car on the north side of hwy 142 We were there approx 1.5 months then apparently people with nothing better to do started complaining we were there Let me tell you what we saw while we were there first off I’m from a fairly big city and lived on the rough side of town with that being said,
    In the time we were there I ran off 3 homeless guys, and two guys from Texas that chased the horses from 1 end on the area to the other 3 or 4 times on their ATV Before I could slow ride my SxS threw the horses and they would just move a little now if I start it a mile away they run, We loved just to watch them!
    When homeless or people just wanting to do bad things drive in to this area they see dilapidated trailers and buildings as they look around they see no one on the north side of 142 and roads to drive back far enough to be out of sight. It looks like some want to cry instead of trying to fix the problems of the area! We were buying our permits as we are limited in funds when we sold our house 4 years ago I invested the money and can not touch it for another 7 months then I’m going to build somewhere? When I do build as Im a retired tradesman Heavy construction not stick and brick homes, I will not be building a shack it will be a home that will bring up everyone in the area’s property values. I kinda dought it will be in the Reo Ranches!!!

  2. I purchased 5 acres in Costilla so I would have a place to retire to after working for so many years. I wanted to enjoy life, bother no one and frankly be left alone. I can now see why the land was so cheap.

  3. That us old land with old’s best to find somewhere else to live. Sacred land will be held sacred in that area

  4. By the looks of things in costilla county there is no infrastructure. How can the powers that be force people to plug in when there is nothing to plug into?

  5. A possible solution might be to transition from completely off grid to partially off grid. The so called grid does actually provide many benefits like electricity, sewage treatment and of course sanitation not to mention the economic benefits of having electricity.
    I think that mistake some make is insisting to be allowed to do anything they want whenever they want if they own the land. Truth is if you don’t pay your property taxes you won’t own your land very long and trust me that if the greedy can’t find any way to legislate you to get on the grid they’ll simply keep raising your property taxes until they can take your property one way or another. So bite the bullet, get connected and use the grid as little as possible instead of continually poking the bear in the eye at every turn.

    • I think that the goal should be resiliency rather than to be “off grid”. Sometimes being on the grid can bring more resiliency, such as making it possible to use the grid as a tool with a grid-tied PV system where excess electricity is fed back into the grid and then borrowed back at night or in cloudy weather.

  6. Most readers have moved on to other articles so I’ll write this now. Search for the following video if you don’t mind a lot of profanity. It’s quite funny actually.
    The Secret Reason Sustainable Living Is Now Illegal – MOC #294

    Here’s the story about the police raid of the Garden of Eden mentioned in the above video.

  7. Adrian,No matter where you would choose to live.Google earth and even building code cops with airplanes can make your life hell. This thing about needing a permit to camp on your own property is about as asinine as it gets. I see this on county web sites for Arizona also.

    • If you can’t camp on your own land, especially rural land while you’re building your home, then how can people think you ‘own’ the land and have ‘land rights’? It makes no sense. It’s totally screwed up,

      • alot of people do that. i dont know what the problem is other to run people off and screw themselves with less people contributing to the local economy.

    • They’re all in it together. They want builders to build, banks to lend, and consumers to consume but never own so the cash continues to roll in. Some townships even charge inspection fees for alarm installs and fines for those same alarms if mis-triggered.

      • Yes. It’s largely a scam. They point to a few benefits to justify the whole system. I like Buckminster Fuller’s quote about how to create a better system:
        “You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
        To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

  8. Colorado is no longer citizen-friendly. NASA is moving back into cheyenne mountain because it safe from EMP danger to the national grid.
    People from this and similar websites should think about forming a co-op, write up a little notarized constitution to cover how to arbitrate any disputes, and look to buy a ghost town or a tract along old Route 66 or “undesirable acreage” in Arizona (outside Winslow is affordable) or New Mexico , Oklahoma, or the more “worthless” lands in West Texas, while looking carefully at the county government’s current land policies where they want to settle.
    The co-op should elect their own mayor and city council and pass their own permissive building codes (if only to regulate house density and shared well-drilling and allocation of water) , and then build QUICKLY so as to grandfather their houses if the county decides to “regulate” them.
    It would help to have a lawyer or retired lawyer in the co-op to be able to deal with any potential regulatory “interference” and you could pay this lawyer “in kind” with his own house plot, or communal help building a “guest house” where the lawyer could come for “free” vacations — which is good,because he would come to care on a personal level for the little off-grid, green-built community.

    • Excellent suggestions. Thanks for contributing. Maybe I’ll use this for a blog post. Like I said, this topic has always been the hottest topic on our blog. And since we’re number 2 on Google (after Wiki), obviously lots of people are very interested in learning more about codes and affordable land for their sustainable homes. Cities are not affordable in most cases and have too many regulations for this sort of thing. So people are left trying to figure out where to build. I wonder if there are any ecovillages that have already applied your ideas?

  9. Sorry, I didn’t realize this was a political website, could you remove me from the list? I was more looking for interesting, sustainable housing options for people who do not have a lot of money or resources. Thanks so much anyway.

  10. All these unlawful statutes need no compliance by so-called legislators. Simply becuase men in suits write stuff on paper does not bind you to their written words. Were you a party to the agreement (whatever zoning BS someone wrote on a piece of paper)? By what contract are you bound to abide to their dictates? Answer – there is none, unless you agree to be bound to their “juris-diction.” Don’t argue – use their own language (legalese) against them. Use conditional acceptances and negative averments to deflect their unlawful statutes. Educate yourself in who you are – free sovereign beings – and who they are – agents of a fictional construct. It’s all about commerce. Become a creditor, and you will “stand” above these debtor agents who provoke you with words on paper that mean nothing to the freeman!

    • True, but they have the guns, can take you off to jail and bulldoze your house. Most people choose to move on and start over.

  11. Why complain? Its like complaining against hitler n his goons in 1938. Just leave alredy. Thats what Owen had done n me and a whole lot of freedom loving americans. Start d
    american dream in another part of d world.

  12. Usa used to be the land of the free supposidly,now it’s becoming like the user thanks to communist like obama,hilarious and other libtards that what to take away all your is it that the Amish people can live off the grid but we can’t bullshit

    • Targeting the Amish, at least at this time, might cause a big political backlash. Not sure. It’s easier to harass poor people.

    • Areas with Amish become touristy attractions for city folk that wanna go see the past, like civil/revolutionary war reenactments, but off-gridders create a money losing situation for towns. How can mayors and congressmen line their pockets with power company monopoly pay-offs if nobody in their constituency uses the utilities?

      • Also, the Amish are quite successful at running businesses that provide jobs and goods.

        This story is very weird. According to one of the videos by Alex Ansary that I linked, there’s a rich investor who is buying hundreds of thousands of acres in Costilla county and he’s giving half to the government! So something big is going on.

        • Maybe the feds are planning to put/expand their UN buddies’ endangered wolf project since they’re making a ruckus with Utah and Colorado residents…

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